BLASPHEMING THE HOLY SPIRIT

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William Andrew Dillard

Okay, here is my question about the bible: In Matthew 12:30:32, it is stated by Jesus, “… anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”. Is this because the heart is hardened and no repair can be made?
Also, another discussion came up around this when someone asked if these passages covered the Jews and their beliefs. I expressed a bit of knowledge that indeed the Jews believed in the spirit, but stopped at that point knowing the rejection of Christ is THE issue. However, then I recalled a Conversation with a former pastor whom once answered one of my questions about the Holy Spirit as it involved the American Indians and Irish pagans. He said both had believed in the Holy Spirit. Christ’s coming to us changed everything with respect to sacrifices of all sorts of bloody ways and so I THINK I understand, however…. Verse 32: “Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will beforgiven, …”
Sooooo, does this verse indeed forgive those who do not believe in Christ but do believe in the Holy Spirit? Deep stuff, huh?

MY ANSWER

Yes, indeed, it is deep stuff, but so very important that it be dealt with and understood as much as Bible study and submission to God will allow us to understand it. My answer will not be short, but hopefully it will be helpful. The concluding sentence of your inquiry hits at the heart of the matter as to who then may be saved? And by necessary extension, how?
Let me state the scope of salvation. Man is a threefold creature made in the similitude of his triune Creator. He is a reasoning intellect after the similitude of the Father; a spiritual entity after the similitude of the Holy Spirit; a physical reality after the similitude of the Son. When Adam failed in the Garden of Eden, sin invaded all three aspects of his being, and it became an intricate part of his species. Consequently, all three aspects of his being must be ultimately saved, and the Bible speaks to these different parts of man’s make-up both in terms of sin and salvation. If this concept were better understood, a lot of biblical mystery would immediately dissolve. This is very much an understanding germane to the topic at hand.
The beginning of any person’s salvation is the salvation of the spirit. In repentance and faith in God, man’s spirit is sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, Eph. 4:30. Although tied to a body and mind subject to sin, that saved spirit can no longer sin, I John 3:9, because it is cleansed and sealed by the Holy Spirit of God; hence, security of the believer. Beyond this experience, the saved person is given the opportunity to learn of God and His Word; to grow in knowledge and grace. This process is referred to as the salvation of the mind-life. The mind-life is referenced in the scriptures by the term “soul” Greek “psyche” which means “conscious life” as is resident in the intellect. While the mind is being saved (transformed) in discipleship, the salvation of the body cannot, and will not occur until the resurrection. At that point the total man will stand in total salvation and be like his glorious Savior.
Now, referencing man’s spirit, Spirit salvation has always been the same since Adam’s sin to the present time, and will be until the dissolution of the present heavens and earth. It is the salvation of the mind-life that is the main burden of the Bible, and to that end are the changing processes of various covenants. The provider of that salvation is Jesus and His finished work on the Cross of Golgotha. As it was not necessary for people in Old Testament times to know the name of Jesus in order to be saved, but was provided His salvation through faith; so it continues to be. “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” I do have my doubts about any who would claim to possess the salvation provided by Jesus and at the same time reject the provided knowledge of Jesus. But I rest assured that nature itself bears witness day to day and night to night sufficient for all men in every generation to perceive the presence of their Creator and humble themselves before Him, Psalm 19:1-3. I do note that this thinking would not be universally accepted, but so be it. Now, with this much information as a platform from which to proceed, the scriptures under question are considered.

FIRST, there should be a consideration of Jesus’ words from the viewpoint of different translation of the scriptures. The KJV reads: He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” Matthew 12:30-32
The next scripture reference of similar statements is Mark3:28-30. “Verily I say unto you, all sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: but he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.”
Finally, Luke 12:8-10 relate a kindred statement: “Also I say unto you, whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the son of man also confess before the angels of God; but he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a work against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him, but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.”
Most translations I have consulted vary little including The New International Version, The New American Standard Translation, The Amplified Bible, etc. In Matthew 12:30, Goodspeed in his American Translation states, “and anyone who does not join me in gathering, scatters.” The New Testament in Basic English says, “And he who does not take part with me in getting people together is driving them away.”
In Matthew 12:31, “Wherefore I say unto you….” Is rendered “which leads me to say this” in The Four Gospels by C. H. Rieu, and “For that reason I warned you” in the New Testament: A New Translation of Olaf M. Norlie.
In the last part of Matthew 12:32, “neither in this world, neither in the world to come” is rendered “neither in this age nor in the one being about to come” in the Greek text.
In Mark 3:29, “…but is in danger of eternal damnation” is rendered “but is guilty of an eternal sin” in The American Standard Version; “he has to answer for an enduring sin” in The Twentieth Century New Testament, and “but is guilty of an everlasting sin” in the Greek text.

SECOND, the heart of the matter should be considered from a word study viewpoint. The one word that presents difficulty in this statement is the word “blaspheme.” Literally translated it means “speak hurtfully.” The greatest hurt one may do to the Holy Spirit is to refuse its leading, and to use one’s influence to cause others to do the same. Jesus pleaded that though men would not believe Him, they should believe His works. John 10:38. In other places He said that past generations would arise and condemn that one because they would have repented if they had seen His works. So, seeing and believing the works is underscored. Now, the work of the Holy Spirit has always been to convict men of their lost condition, and to lead them to trust in God from the time of Adam’s sin, but the work of the Spirit in the New Testament age is to accompany the Lord’s Church as the Comforter/Teacher in the stead of Jesus, and to lead men to a state of spiritual maturity which will win for them a place of ruling with Christ in the age that is about to happen. This is accomplished by believing and following The Faith once delivered to the saints, as set forth in the New Testament.
THIRD, the context of these verses must also be considered. In Matthew Twelve, Jesus is talking to some Pharisees. In Mark, He is addressing some Scribes, and in Luke, He is talking to His disciples. Yet, in all three instances it is clear that what is being said is being said for the benefit of His disciples who were present. It is also important to bear in mind what Jesus did not say. He did not accuse these men of being lost sinners. They were in fact religious men who trusted in God, but were so steeped in generations of traditions that they were having great difficulty accepting the simple, but profoundly authoritative teachings of Jesus. Today, we like to say that God’s plan of salvation is profoundly simple, but that learning the truth of the scriptures is a slow process, and sometimes difficult. For that reason, it is harmonious to believe that saved people are in various manners of churches today, even though those churches may deny fundamental truths about God’s Word.

Now, in an attempt to summarize and apply the preceding, let it be stated that the specific work of the Holy Spirit that is peculiar to this age is the leading of saved men into a full knowledge of God’s New Testament truth. To deny those great truths, and hence to lead others to do the same is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. This is why Hebrews 10:26-27 says, “For if we sin (err in acknowledging and following the truth) willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” Then the example of saved people dying who despised and ignored Moses’ law is given with a warning that it will be worse for those who ignore and deny the New Testament Faith.
Additionally, how will this affect those who are guilty of this sin? Perhaps Matthew 7:22 illustrates it best. “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast our devils: and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them I never knew (was never in an approving relationship with) you: depart from me ye that work iniquity (work religiously, but without regard to the rules of my word).” “In that day” is the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. It begins with a rapture and resurrection of the saved. These people are not lost people, but saved people who have worked fervently and religiously, but outside the guiding work of the Holy Spirit, and led others to do the same. They are expecting the reward of the saints to rule with Christ in the Millennium, but are denied that reward because of their works. “Though a man strive for mastery yet is he not crowned except he strive lawfully,” 2 Tim. 2:5. It is only if we identify and suffer with Him that we shall reign with Him, 2 Tim 2:12
It appears that the failure of these saved people to accept Holy Spirit leadership in the arena of the faith once delivered to the saints, refusing scriptural baptism and New Testament church fellowship, have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and are denied the reward of the saints in the Millennium. It further appears that this failure and sin will mark them in the heaven age as they apparently shall be among the nations of them that are saved that walk in the light of the New Jerusalem, but are denied a p lace in it that the saints shall enjoy. Note Revelation 21:24-2:15.
Finally, (have I said that already) in our day universalism has all but taken over in the realm of “Christianity” Spirit salvation is all that most preach and they err in teaching that spirit salvation will bring to one all the eternal reward that God has to give anyone. Such simply is not so!
It is common for most unstudied ministers to simply say that the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit cannot be committed by saved people; that it is the sin of unbelief in Jesus as Savior which will in fact condemn one to an everlasting hellfire. How sad.
Hellfire is never under consideration in these verses. Obviously, if one does not trust in Jesus, he is eternally lost at death. But this warning is to the saved to submit to the work of the Holy Spirit in learning, living and sharing the truth of God in this age of grace. Eternal reward is based on the work of faith which can only be understood and accomplished as one is submissive to Holy Spirit leadership in the faith once delivered to the saints. To reject this is to blaspheme. And what other word, work, or force could possibly lead one to know and accept God’s truth if the Holy Spirit is rejected? NONE!
This answer is very long. It had to be. If one does not understand the background, then understanding the meaning of these passages of scripture is impossible. Deep stuff, huh? Indeed! I am sure that by the very nature of its depth that possibly more questions have arisen than have been answered. Feel free to follow up on points of further questioning. With this much done, future answers may not need to be nearly so long.

Could all of this have been summarized into a very few brief statements? Yes, if the background information were well understood. So, now, let’s see:

1. People can be saved without an historical knowledge of Jesus, even though all salvation is provided of God on the basis of the finished work of Jesus.
2. What is the work of the Holy Spirit as a stand-in for Jesus in this age? In addition of leading men to spirit salvation, as always, it is to support, teach, and facilitate belief in the New Testament fully.
3. What happens if men, even saved men deny New Testament teachings and incorporate their own distorted views? They blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
4. Will that be forgiven them? No! Once life is lived in this world, it is what we have made it, and there will be loss of reward and difference in people throughout eternity.
5. So, who commits the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Lost men, but they are hell bound anyway. Saved men who will not yield to the harmonious teachings of the New Testament.
6. Will they then go to hell? No, not if they have ever been saved. But they will suffer loss, even as described in I Cor. 3, “saved yet so as by fire.”

Now how simple is that?!

ON GOING TO HEAVEN

William Andrew Dillard
Parson to Person

I’ve noticed that a lot of folk want to go to heaven when they die, but they don’t want to go to church while they live. Could it be that they really don’t want to go to heaven, but just want to escape hell? Hummm.
What really happens to a saved, never-dying spirit the moment death comes? The scriptures are very clear: to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. How long does it take to go to heaven? Just the twinkling of an eye. There is no process; there is no purgatory.
But just here is where things seem to get a little confused in the minds of a lot of nominal Christians. It is thought that St. Peter will greet one at the golden gate; that the departed will be in a bodily form; that all manner of activity occurs in heaven and a tear drop will never be shed. Is this really the way it is? Think with me!
While confessing freely that I have never been to heaven, there are still some things that may be known, according to Bible revelations. It must be emphasized that since flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, (I Cor. 15:50) only departed spirits may go to heaven upon physical death. The breaking of the fifth seal in Revelation gives one extremely rare insight into the state of saved departed spirits. They are seen as being under the altar of God, not running around all over the place. It is furthermore stated that the meaning of death is a rest from all labor. Moreover, it is revealed that the departed spirits of righteous persons cry for the Lord to avenge their blood on those who dwell on the earth. This is a subliminal cry of sorts for these departed spirits to be clothed with resurrected bodies. Oh, it is a blessed state to be sure, but not in keeping with common visions of that state and place.
When the Lord Jesus returns to earth, when the resurrection and rapture has occurred, all of God’s people will have new, incorruptible bodies. They will live again on this earth for one thousand years with Jesus ruling from the throne of His father David.
When the 1,000 year rule of Jesus is completed, the kingdom will be yielded up to the Father that God may be all in all. I Corinthians 15:28. At that time, the universe will melt with a fervent heat and pass away with a loud noise. 2 Peter 3:10-12. Then God will recreate new heavens and a new earth. 2 Peter 3:13. There will be a great and unimaginably marvelous city on the new earth: New Jerusalem. God’s saints will inhabit this new city whose street is of gold, and whose gates are of a single pearl, and whose foundations are precious stones. Revelation 21. How long will it last? Forever and ever. Now this is more like the vision of heaven that most Christians have. What a blessed eternity that will be! I would not miss it for anything, even my life, but, sadly, there are multitudes who will because they have rejected the Lord Jesus Christ. There are two things All men should know 1) that all God requires of man was fulfilled in Christ Jesus, and He may be had by faith! 2) that no man may come to God except through His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ!

Heaven or Hell

It is better to be

frightened into heaven

than

lulled into hell.

Adrian Rogers

A “Nobody” In Hell, or “Who’s Who” In Heaven?

Pope’s Points

Julian Pope

A “Nobody” In Hell, or “Who’s Who” In Heaven?

Had you ever noticed, in Luke 16:19-31, that the rich man in Hell is not named? When he was living, no doubt he was known far and near for his wealth, his lavish parties and, if they had such in those days, was listed in “Who’s Who.” But when he died, he was just a nobody in Hell!

By contrast, had you noticed that Lazarus is named? When he was living, I doubt if the rich man or any of his friends knew his name, being known only as the beggar. When he died, there were no hired mourners and I am sure he was buried without notice in a potter’s field. But when his spirit left his house of clay, he was carried by angels into Abraham’s bosom. A nobody on earth, but he knew the Lord, and now he is listed in “Who’s Who” in Heaven!

Which way have you chosen?

71 – March – 12 – THIS DAY IN BAPTIST HISTORY PAST

 

He preached politics from the pulpit

1807 – Samuel Stillman, Pastor of the First Baptist Church of Boston during the Revolutionary War died on this day at seventy years of age.  He was converted to Christ and baptized under the ministry of Oliver Hart when his parents moved to S.C.  He later founded a Baptist Education Society in Charleston.  Always weak in health he moved back to N.J. to improve his physical condition.  He was called as the assistant pastor of the Second Baptist Church of Boston.  After one year, he became the pastor of the historic First Baptist Church of that city on Jan. 9, 1765 where he stayed until his death.  The Baptists, with only two or three exceptions stood solidly behind the Revolution.  Stillman was one of the strongest proponents.  His heart blazed for liberty.  He despised the Stamp Act and preached against it from his pulpit.  He was outraged over the inflicted Baptists of Ashfield, Mass., and authored a petition to the general court against it.  The issue had to do with a general assessment for the support of the state church (Congregational).  He was a powerful preacher who drew crowds from great distances including dignitaries such as, Washington, Adams, John Hancock, and Gen. Knox.  He lifted high the cross, preached sin black, and hell hot and saw great revivals.  His flock was scattered during the war but he returned, gathered them together again, and First Baptist was the only church in Boston that stayed open for the duration.  The forty-two years he spent in Boston covered the great debates of the Revolution, the war itself, the birth of the nation, the Federal Constitution, and the presidencies of Washington, Adams, and Jefferson.  Samuel Stillman was a remarkable man for remarkable times.  But history shows that God always has His man for the times.

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He Tasted Death for Us

Hebrews 2:9

“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man,” Hebrews 2:9.

The idea that Jesus has already paid for the sins of every human being that would ever exist on earth is an amazing concept. Even stubborn, prideful people who reject God’s gift and go to hell, go there with their sins paid for.

God says our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. There is no way we could be a perfect sacrifice. Therefore, God sent His Son, born of a woman, to be that perfect sacrifice. When Jesus went to the cross, He was receiving punishment from the Father and transferring it to the mind of God inside that body. Therefore, God, once for all time, for all people, paid for all our sin. “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; . . . For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified (Heb. 10:10, 12, 14).

Since God paid for all sin, He certainly has the right to dictate the terms by which we can receive that gift. All we have to do is believe that Jesus died for our sins, confess that we are sinners, repent and ask God to forgive and give us His gift. He is standing there with outstretched arms offering free salvation to everybody. It cost man nothing, but it cost God the supreme sacrifice, His only begotten Son.

Just Saying

It is so amazing, how deep His love is for mankind. Are you thankful?

Robert Brock

TORREY TALKING TRIUMPHANTLY

Torrey Talking Triumphantly

“I am ready to meet God face to face tonight and look into those eyes of infinite holiness, for all my sins are covered by the atoning blood.”

“There is One who knows, and He sympathizes with you – God.”

“There is more joy in Jesus in twenty four hours than there is nin the world in three hundred and sixty fove days. I have tried them both.”

“I would rather go to heaven alone than go to hell in company.”

“I sit at God’s table – and it is just groaning with good things.”

“God’s Word is pure and sure, in spite of the devil, in spite of your fear, in spite of everything.”

THE BIBLE

The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers.
Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.
Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy,
It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.
It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword, and the Christian’s charter.
Here Paradise is restored, Heaven opened, and the gates of hell disclosed.

So What Is Important About Dogma?

Many people decry the idea of doctrine and dogma. They want the soft pleasing cotton candy religion that never takes a stand or even makes a statement. The shallowness of these people are astounding. The comprehension and understanding of God’s Word and God’s commands comes from study and understanding the very Word given by God for us to know. Doctrine and dogma are necessary to express who God is.

Without Doctrine how would one know how to get to heaven? The Bible is plain and simple on this doctrine, yet many have been given the wrong way. Those involved in teaching people the wrong way to get to heaven have blood on their hands. They have sent people into the flames of hell and stand before God guilty.

Let us have the plain simple doctrine of salvation, how to get to heaven. Ephesians 2:8-10 is so simple and clear that none should misunderstand what it says.  “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. 

What is difficult with this scripture? “For by grace” . God’s grace has been extended to man because man is a sinner. That Grace that God extends to us is His own precious Son who has paid the price that we rightfully owe. “are ye saved through faith;”. We appropriate this grace by our faith in the risen Son of God, Jesus Christ. Now this is pretty simple so far and it is doctrine. “and that not of yourselves;”  This says that all we can do is trust in Jesus. We cannot be baptised – that not of yourselves; We cannot join a church – that not of yourselves; We cannot partake of the Lord’s Supper and be saved – that not of yourselves; There is not one thing we can do to get to heaven but simply trusting in the risen Saviour. Now how simple is that; yet there are many that being shallow and not understanding are missing the door to heaven. Notice the Key to understanding is “it is the gift of God;” We do not work (be baptised, join a church, eat the Lord’s supper, do good works) to receive a gift. Gifts are freely given and freely received.  God’s plan is always the best. When everything rest upon Him it then is none of us “lest any man should boast.”  When we trust the risen Savior we are “created in Christ Jesus” . Now comes the works. Once we are saved, we are then to go and witness to others.  Salvation and then good works. Very simple but many do not understand.

This is the doctrine of salvation and any other way is wrong and leads to the punishment of hell.

What is your final destination?

WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES ABOUT HELL

Luke 16:19-31; Revelation 20:7-15

Penitentiaries and jails speak of man’s belief in the punishment of men for wrongdoing. Man believes the criminal should be separated from the law abiding. God also believes in separating the righteous from the unrighteous. Hell is a reality.

I cannot imagine a death more horrible than death by burning. The pain and suffering that has to be involved with this type of death is totally unimaginable to me. I would not wish this type of death on my worst enemy. What is worse, is the people that make light of  dying  and descending into  a place of eternal burning and suffering; that place called HELL!!

Let us examine this place.

I. THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT.    (REVELATION 20:7-15)
    1. The judge. John 5:22; “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.”
    2. The subjects. (Rev. 20:12; Eph. 2:1-3). All who have never repented and trusted in Jesus.
    3. Basis of judgement (John 20:13).
        a. According to works (Rev. 20:13).
        b. In the Great White Throne, judgement because of unbelief (John 3:18).
    4. The reason for this judgement. That each unbeliever might receive his just part in the lake of fire (Rev. 21:8; Matt. 10:15; 11:24).
NOTICE THIS; The Great White Throne Judgement is not to determine whether one is saved and going to heaven or unsaved and going to hell. It is strictly for the unsaved/lost and determines how bad they were and all are cast into the lake of fire.

II. HELL IS THE FINAL ABODE OF THE DEVIL, FALLEN ANGELS, AND UNBELIEVEERS.
    1. Origin of Hell and why (Matt. 24:41; II Peter 2:4; Jude 6).
    2. Those in Hell.
        a. The Devil (Rev. 20:10).
        b. Fallen Angels (Jude 6).
        c. Unbelievers (Rev. 20:13-15).
    3. The final Hell (Rev. 20:13-15).

III. WHAT HELL IS LIKE.
    1. A lake of fire and brimstone (Rev. 21:8). If this is figurative language, how awful the reality!
    2. A place of torment. (Greek: odunaomai, mental and/or physical pain, agony, suffering, Luke 16:23.) Revelation 20:10: “Tormented day and night forever.”
    3. Read Luke 3:17.

IV. HOW LONG HELL LASTS – ITS DURATION.
    1. It is called an everlasting destruction (II Thess. 1:9).
    2. It is said to be forever and ever (Rev. 14:10,11).
    3. Figurative speech describes it as eternal (Mark 9:44, 46, 48).

V. THE STATE OF THOSE WHO GO TO HELL.
    1. Their condition is final and there is no escape (Luke 16:24-26).
    2. There is no future chance (Rev. 22:11; Eccl. 11:3).
    3. Why they are there (Luke 16:27-31).
    4. Those who go there remain in a conscious state (Luke 16:23).

VI. HELL, THEN, IS A DEFINITE PLACE OF REALITY, AND IS NOT THE GRAVE.
    1. All of the foregoing scriptures teach the consciousness of those in Hell, therefore it could not be the grave.
    2. Some questions with scriptural answers show that Hell is not the grave.
        a. Are angels buried in graves? II Peter 2:4: “Cast down to hell.” Can this be construed to mean that they are in the grave? (Jude 6).
        b. Are none but the wicked in the grave? Psalm 9:17: “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” What about the righteous who die?
        c. Can a man put another man in Hell? He could if Hell is the grave. Matthew 10:28: “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather feat him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION YOU WILL EVER MAKE IN LIFE IS WHERE WILL YOU SPEND ETERNITY.

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